Steve Jobs: "HE STOLE MY PROGRAMS N STUFFS!! Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had a love-hate relationship. Although I may give the edge to Steve. Certainly more aggressive than Bill or Richard. It was reported to Steve that Microsoft was going to clone the Mac but Steve disregarded it because he didn't think they were capable of doing a decent implementation, he was correct. Cookies help us deliver our Services. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI. I knew both Bill Gates & Steve Jobs reasonably well back in the day. Jobs loses his shit on Gates who remains cool and says: "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The GUI is the main way we use computers today - Ie, a Mouse, folders, a desktop metaphor and was introduced in the early 1980s. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Edit2: Also I know its portrayed that Bill Gates is a nerd compared to say his partner Steve Jobs, but lets take a look here for a moment: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-bill-gates-2011-4?op=1, Dude was pretty brazen. Neil would often ask questions about implementation details that he didn't really need to know about such as representation and implementation. This comment has been automatically removed, as it has been identified as suspect of being a joke, low-effort, or otherwise inappropriate top-level reply/comment. Explain Like I'm Five is the best forum and archive on the internet for layperson-friendly explanations. Steve felt Bill stole his idea. So what you're telling me is the a court actually made an intelligent ruling on the limits of a patent in the past? But that standing start he did is not the be trivialized for a 5'10" man, that is some explosiveness. Xerox effectively had made a huge amount of progress on the idea of "GUIs" and both Microsoft and Apple borrowed heavily from the metaphors and ideas used in Xerox's offering (overlapping windows on a desktop with icons etc.) Microsoft announces a mouse-based system GUI environment called Windows as well as a mouse-based option for Microsoft Word. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. He ran an anti-competitive monopoly and ruthlessly crushed any potentially innovative companies that would threaten Microsoft. As with many innovations of this kind, a lot of people were working in this space at the time - Microsoft and Apple were two of these but one of the major ones was also Xerox (of photocopier manufacturing fame). First, I feel that Steve(he was a shitty Buddhist to be honest, dude was a dick) and Linus are the most aggressive of the bunch. "You’re stealing from us!” Bill replied "I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Lets say that the aggressiveness in both cancels each other out. They are both extraordinary people who have made immeasurable contributions to advancing technology. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They were buying all kinds of shit from other companies like IBM and Xerox. I'm thinking this comes down to Gates and Torvalds. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Although I may give the edge to Steve. Stopped being funny after the first joke. When did they work together and what exactly did Bill Gates do which screwed over Steve Jobs so much. Oh well. The court however felt that only individual specific elements (ie; the specific type of button, rather than the idea of a button) could be the kinds of things which were more important than "Look and Feel". Edit: I made a typo. Don't Panic! "To get all linux news off the front page.". The important difference between patenting "three round buttons of different colors in the top corner of a window" and "a button on the edge of a thing" is something the conceptually, seems to have been forgotten. Hell, the Xerox Alto from the early 70s had a mouse, icons, windows, scrollbars, sliders etc.. Bill Gates was in charge of one big computer company, and Steve Jobs was in charge of the other big computer company. Not sure what I was trying to say. They all get swords. Bill Gates is a pretty cool dude, but Steve Job is/was like that kid in middle school that runs around wienie tapping everyone because he thinks it's funny. The crazy thing is that the GUI's we use today aren't radically different than the stuff Xerox was doing back in the 70/80s. EDIT: Thanks to everyone pointing out that yes, Bill Gates was once an ass hole as well, but I meant more 'currently'. Additionally, Steve Jobs took some ideas about computers from Xerox, then Bill Gates took the same idea from Steve Jobs. Jokes, anecdotes, and low effort explanations, are not permitted and subject to removal. Bill Gates in his prime was not a super chill guy. Special thanks to the guy who pointed out there was no way I could no that 99% of CEOs were ass holes, I made a generalisation, please continue being the reddit police. Apple had agreed to licence some parts of it's own GUI to Microsoft which Microsoft used for Windows 1.0. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it. Because of their personalities and how the were regarded because of it. Steve: Turtleneck touting effeminate pinko, adored by hipsters and cultists everywhere. Apple effectively claimed it had invented the GUI and that Microsoft had copied the look and feel of it in releasing Windows. I just watched Pirates of Silicon Valley but didn't quite understand everything which went on. Do you mind elaborating a bit. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. You are indeed where you belong. Xerox's GUI was never commercialised. Both almost infamous for it. Even touch controls have been around since then. :). How was Bill Gates sneaky? Steve: Turtleneck touting effeminate pinko, adored by hipsters and cultists everywhere.. Bill: altruistic philanthropist, spreading his wealth and hope everywhere. I'm going to say that Gates is a better athlete than all of them: Now Bill has 3inches on me height wise. I'll leave it. Seems like he was part nerd / part party animal to me. They did not work together. Lets say that the aggressiveness in both cancels each other out. By Windows 2.0 Microsoft had further developed its GUI and by Windows 3.0. I have a feeling with a running start he could clear a bit more. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is very similar to Apple's more recent lawsuits against Samsung (amongst others) claiming that touchscreen devices (of various types) copy the look and feel of their iPhones. Hence this scene. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: subreddit:subreddit find submissions in "subreddit" author:username find submissions by "username" site:example.com find … Jobs goes apeshit and demands a meeting with Gates where it ends up being ten Mac employees on one side and Gates on the other. First, I feel that Steve(he was a shitty Buddhist to be honest, dude was a dick) and Linus are the most aggressive of the bunch. They were competitors. Bill: altruistic philanthropist, spreading his wealth and hope everywhere. Both almost infamous for it. Neil's version of Windows is released later and was good enough that Mac filed a copyright lawsuit against Microsoft in 1988, which Mac lost after the judge ruled Apple inadvertently gave Microsoft a perpetual license to the Mac user interface in November 1985. Apple argued effectively that all the modern components we understand to make up a "Desktop computer GUI", across OSX, Windows, Gnome, KDE were copyrightable and that the "look and feel" was Apple's intellectual property - which Microsoft infringed by making Windows 3.0 - a competing "Desktop Computer GUI". **TL;DR: No, Bill and Steve never worked together, but worked on similar products at the same time. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Lets say they are all in their physical prime ie. If you believe this action has been taken in error, please drop us mods a message with a link to your comment! I don't know what that means for a physical confrontation..other than to say he's not going to be timid. Joi Ito / Flickr Bill Gates and Steve Jobs built two of the biggest names in technology today: Microsoft and Apple, respectively. younger versions of themselves. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Certainly more aggressive than Bill or Richard. Torvalds is Finnish, he could probably solo the other three and not get scratched. Pirates of Silicon Valley is basically a story about the simultaneous rise of Apple and Microsoft - in particular the 'main-streaming' of the GUI (aka; Graphical User Interface) and the Apple Computer v Microsoft copyright infringment lawsuits of the early 90s. I'm leaning towards Torvalds. Thanks for your response. Steve jobs back then was a nazi fuck that overworked his employees to exhaustion and bill gates was viewed as a super chill guy but really he was a sneaky fuck ready to pounce on apple.